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At first, I'd planned to slap some Hawk HPS pads on the Neon and call
it good, until I could get around to more complex upgrades. Then
I looked and saw that the HP Plus was about ten bucks more, and
promised more performance, with a consequence of increased rotor wear
and more dust. Dust doesn't bug me much, and rotor wear couldn't
be much worse than the wear I'd seen with your standard crappy
Raybestos Lifetime pads.
This I know about this first hand, as I foolishly put them on my Neon
when I replaced the warped stock rotors when I bought the car.
(Some Monkey with air tools overtorqued the lugnuts and had the oil
filter on so tight it barely came off with the infamous "screwdriver"
method.) The pads are fine if you're a normal driver. Me, I
classify how good a pad is by how well it stops me from over 100mph for
the third time in a row. Let's just say the Raybestos don't last
past the first 1.5 100mph stops, fading into that land known as "Oh
SHIT!" to drivers like myself worldwide.
I got the pads. Nice pads, look good, I thought. Then I
read "you must replace the stock rotors or sand them with 130 grit
sandpaper" section of the instructions. Me, I'm lazy, I don't
like diddling with a wear item part like rotors. Then I
remembered people saying that you could use the thicker Second
Generation Neon rotors on a first gen, if you either sanded down stock
1st gen pads, or went to the second generation calipers. The
problem with the second gen calipers is that the brake line fitting is
the wrong size. You can tap the hole out if you want, but me,
well, I don't like tapping holes in items I rely on to stop me from
terminal speeds. Again, just me.
Then I thought, "Hmm, I wonder how thick these pads are, and how much
I'd have to sand them down to make them fit". So out came the
dial caliper. .655" thick, or 16.64mm. I found the stock
rotor thickness on the web, of .800", or 20.32mm thick. A second
gen is .870", or 22.10mm thick. Both are 10.1" in diameter.
This I figured made the maximum pad thickness .697" to work with the
second generation rotors properly. I checked with Hawk, they do
make seperate pads for first vs. second generation Neon, but don't list
the pad thickness.
Then I went and annoyed some parts store clerks. I looked at some
Raybestos pads from the local Schucks Parts store (Checker, Kragen, all
the same company). Those were .711", or 18.05mm thick. The
Napa pads were encased in thin plastic, but measured .755". So I
went with the thinnest pads for my calculations for a margin of
error. This makes the Hawk HP Plus pads .056", or 1.41mm
thinner. Multiply this by two, since you have two pads, making a
total of 2.82mm thinner.
The difference in thickness between the first and second generation
Neon rotors is .070", or 1.78mm. This leaves me with 1.04mm to
spare, whohoo! I went and bought some "Made in the USA" 2nd Gen
brake rotors from Napa for $39 each. (Though the boxes say Made
in USA, the back of the rotors says Canada. Huh?)
First, you need to ask yourself what part of the brake system is
failing first under performance usage. You can't jump straight to
the pads, since they're only one part of the equation. Here's
some common braking problems.
"My brake pedal gets mushy the more I brake. Sometimes it will
even hit the floor if I keep it up long enough."
This isn't caused by a failure of the pads, but rather by your
brake fluid. It's boiling, causing the fluid to lose it's
effectiveness as part of the hydraulic braking system. Chances
are, you've not bled your brakes in a long while. Non-silicone
based brake fluids (the majority of what are used today) absorb water
over time. This lowers the boiling point of the fluid. This
is why brake fluid generally has two measurements of boiling point, dry
and wet. Wet is generally the boiling point of the fluid after 6
months in a typical brake system, dry is of course fresh fluid out of
the container. This is why you never use brake fluid that's been
opened and sitting in the garage for a while, even if the lid is on
tight, it has absorbed some water. DOT 4 means a dry boiling
point over 500 degrees F generally, DOT 3 is somewhat lower.
Also, the material of the brake caliper piston can effect how quickly
the fluid boils. A metal-based piston conducts heat into the
fluid faster than a composite piston. Fortunately, all Neon
calipers use a composite piston.
For those of us who are cheap, but not horribly cheap, you can get
Valvoline Syntec brake fluid for a couple bucks for 12oz, or around 6
bucks for 32oz. I personally went through 64oz of the stuff last
time I bled my brakes, but I was really anal about it. It has a
boilding point of a bit over 500 degrees dry, over 330 wet. You
can also get some fancier fluids like Castrol SRF, ATE Super Blue, etc,
but they're pricey, and the main difference is wet boiling points and a
little improvement on the dry boiling points. If you leave your
fluid in the car for a long time, you might consider them,
however. Just watch for Silicone fluids, they're incompatible
with standard fluids.
"My Pedal is firm, but I push and little or nothing happens."
Generally this is the pads/rotors overheating, or you're
experiencing "Green fade" from pads that haven't been properly broken
in. When the pads haven't been cured yet or are overheating, a
layer of gas builds up between the pad and the rotor, making a
"cushioning" effect of the pressure applied by the brake.
This is why people tend to go to slotted/drilled rotors, since this
provides a path for the gasses and worn off brake pad material to
go. Rotors with insufficient cooling mass or area can contribute
to this.
The solution is to go for a pad that has a higher heat tolerance, go to
larger/thicker rotors that have more mass to absorb heat and more area
to radiate it, or modify the system so that the rotors get more air
(ducting, etc). Generally the weakness is the pad. The
Neon, stock, has Ceramic pads, which last a long time, and have a
fairly high heat tolerance, and squeal very little. Aftermarket
pads sold at parts stores (Raybestos, etc) can use an Organic or
semi-metalic pad that can wear faster and may have a lower heat
tollerance. Brake pad material is a tradeoff, usually if you have
an exceptionally high heat tollerance, you end up with poor cold pad
performance. If you go for exceptional cold friction, you tend to
sacrafice the high end heat tolerance. Most standard pads are
designed for good braking while cold, since most people brake rarely
and lightly, never getting the pads more than lukewarm. If
they have to brake hard, it's a single stab at the brakes to avoid
something, then cool cruising again. They never have a chance to
experience brake fade, and many pads never properly cure because of it,
fading out suddenly under hard use, like coming down a long hill towing
a trailer.
High performance pads make a compromise more toward the hot end of the
spectrum. If you use a "Performance Street" or
"Street/Strip/Autocross" pad, you generally have acceptable cold
performance while having good performance under hot conditions as
well. The higher performance you go, the less effective the
brakes are at low temperatures, and generally you get more pad wear,
rotor wear, brake dust, and squealing than conventional pads.
"I push the pedal, and I get a 'wobbly' sensation in the front end, and
the pedal may pulsate slightly"
Your rotors are warped. First generation Neon rotors were
prone to warpage when the lugnuts were overtorqued (commonly by some
idiot with air tools at a tire shop) as well as cracking and warping
under high heat loads. Rotors can also be warped by sudden uneven
cooling, like driving through a deep puddle of water soon after heavy
braking. If you go to a shop that has to remove the wheels, make
sure they use a torque wrench to properly torque the lugnuts.
Panic if they head for the car with an impact gun, unless it's set to
low torque.
At this point, your options are to have the rotors turned, making the
rotor even thinner and more prone to warping again. Or you can go
with stock replacements, more expensive but will last longer. Or
you can go to aftermarket options if it keeps happening repeatedly.
"I push the pedal, and get horrible
grinding, squealing noises coming from the front end! The car
also tends to 'leapfrog' while braking."
Hey, are you some kind of Soccer Mom or something?
Your brake pads are shot, and your rotors probably are too if it's
grinding! Take those wheels off an inspect the pads, they're
probably toast. Oh yeah, and that blue smoke that comes out the
back when you accelerate? That's called CHANGE YOUR DAMN
OIL! Just kidding, folks. :)
That all said and done, let's go into the pictures and the process.
Note that I'm basing this off of my '98 Neon, so your car may vary
slightly as far as the assembly goes.
Here's the parts and tools you'll need:
- Hawk
HP Plus pads for first generation Neon, part # HB177N.630.
You can use other pads, but insure they're not over .655, or 16.64mm
thick to have identical results.
- Front Brake Rotors for a 2000 Neon (Napa part number UBP86912)
- A couple bottles of brake fluid, preferably a DOT 4, non-silicone
base fluid like Valvoline Syntec or similar. Not vital, but
highly reccomended if you've not bled your brakes recently.
- A disc brake caliper spreader, or C-clamp.
- Disc brake cleaner. Don't use carb cleaner, it leaves
a residue.
- Disc brake bleeder (all you really need is a jar and a length of
clear rubber hose that fits the bleeder fitting)
- Lug nut wrench, a 10mm socket, socket wrench, flat head/straight
slot screwdriver.
Here's some pictures of the Hawk Pads:

(Click Either Image For Larger View)
This is a shot of the side of the box
and
a shot of the pads themselves. They don't have the "crease" or
slot in
the middle like the normal stock pads do, they're all one piece for
more surface area I'd imagine. According to the box, these pads
are made of a "Ferro-Carbon" compound, or "A high tech carbon
fiber/metallic/organic fricton composide that is utilized by the
automotive, aerospace, and motorsports industry". It's also 100%
asbestos free, so don't worry about your lungs (too much at
least). Also note I've been told by people on Neons.org that if
you get the stock OEM pads, they may fit as well, though are thicker
than the Hawk pads by .010":
"I just checked one of the new OEM pads for my '99 which are sitting in
the basement; it's 16.88mm (.665"). Looks like they too would fit w/o a
problem." -BigMac on Neons.org
Here's some pictures of the rotors:
Left top is the new '00 rotor, right top is the old (rather rusty) old
rotor that had about 20,000 miles on it. You can see the slight
difference in thickness. The new rotor, by the way, was .869"
instead of .870", but I don't think it'll matter much! The old
rotor was hard to measure due to wear, but it was around .800".
The bottom picture is of course, both rotors side by side.
Installation
First off, you want to take off the front wheels so you can get at the
brakes. I'm assuming you know how to do so. Then take the
rotors and clean them carefully, as they're likely cover in gunk to
keep them from rusting on the shelves. They'll start to rust
almost immediately, don't worry about it.
Look at the assembly first, note which way the caliper fits into the
adapter bracket. The calipers are identical, just flipped over to
fit properly. Remember this, it will save you a lot of time later
when you're re-assembling!
The calipers are held on by two 10mm bolts on the back of the
caliper. Unbolt them completely, and pull the bolts out.
The caliper should slide off fairly easily. The outer pad is held
in by a metal 4 prong clip. Use a straight slot "flathead"
screwdriver to pry the old pad off. Leave the old pad in and use
a brake pad spreader to push the piston back into the caliper.
Watch your brake fluid reservoir, as it may overflow as the piston gets
compressed. You might want to take the cap off and wrap a towel
around the reservoir just in case. Once the piston is compressed,
remove the inner pad, it's just a friction-fit clip in.
Pull the old rotor off, it should come off easily unless you have
factory rotors, in that case it may be held on by a small metal clip
over a lugnut. Remove it and discard, it's only there to aid in
the factory assembly. Slide the new rotor on, making sure to
support the caliper so it doesn't dangle and stretch or damage the
brake line. I'd recommend screwing a lugnut on to hold the rotor
firmly in place like it would if the wheel was on, it will make it much
easier to install the caliper.
Install the new pads, just press the inner pad in until it's firmly
against the piston, then slide the outer pad on, the caliper has a
sloped face to allow easy installation of the outer pad.
Now slide the caliper over the rotor. Note which way it notches
into the adapter brackets. On my car, the drivers side had the
notch on top, and the bottom on the passenger side. When the
caliper is aligned properly, you'll be able to easily bolt it in with
the two 10mm bolts. Press the brake pedal a couple times to seat
the pads against the rotor, make sure it rotates easily, it will drag
slightly, but you should be able to easily move it back and forth as
long as the car is out of gear.
Here's how it should look when complete:
Repeat for the other side. This worked without a hitch for
me. The pads are thinner stock, so it went together as if it was
designed to!
When done, make sure the lugnuts are torqued properly to spec, then
take it for a test drive. You can follow the included
instructions (something like some 7-8 moderate stops from 30mph, then
two hard ones from 45mph, then let it sit and cool for 15 minutes) to
seat and break in the pads. I went out and used them normally
until I got to a straight backroad stretch, took it to 60mph and hauled
it down to 30mph hard enough to toss whatever is sitting on the front
passenger seat on to the floor. I did this until I could smell
hot brakes and the pedal went straight to the floor. I drove
gently for a few miles, using them as little as possible, and let them
cool down. If you do this, make sure to not park the car
immediately afterward if you don't drive around for at least 15
mintes. Otherwise you'll bake a single spot in the rotor where
the caliper is sitting. You want to rock it a few inches back or
forward to move it to a different section of the rotor to let it cool
more evenly.
I didn't get much of a chance to really feel the braking power since it
was raining when I went for a test drive, though I got 'em plenty hot
when breaking them in. I can that driving it home afterward, the
brakes felt a lot more progressive, had a better initial bite, and
would lock up the tires easily on the wet roads I drove on. The
old Raybestos lifetime pads weren't nearly as good as this fully broken
in.
Let me know if you find other pads that will work without shaving them,
I'd be happy to add them to the list of workable pads!
Update
4/30/05
After 18 months or so of having these on my Neon, here's some things
you should know about this particular combination of rotors and pads.
On The Rotors: The pedal feel
is *very* firm. It takes very little pedal movement to get the
brakes to engage, and the difference between full-lockup and threshold
braking is so small that anyone driving it needs some time to get used
to the "feel" of the brakes, otherwise they can easily do a smokey
lockup of the brakes accidentally. The stroke is so short, it's
hard to do proper pedal modulation. I'd recommend this
combination only to those people who like this, or who have ABS.
With ABS I think it would be excellent. But they're so firm that
I went to move my Dad's 2000 Mercury Sable into the garage and almost
rammed the back wall of the garage. The pedal travel from no
engagement to full lockup on my Neon is about the same as light braking
on the Sable. Oops.
On The Pads: I'd not
recommend the Hawk HP+ Pads to anyone who doesn't do a lot of hard
driving. They work "okay" when cold, but work best when
hot. In the winter this was bad enough that I would conciously
drag the brakes a bit for the first couple stops to get some heat in
them, since they didn't stop very well cold, especially if wet.
These are not the pads to use on snowy roads if you can avoid it.
At low speeds these pads are lockup-prone (though probably made worse
by the thicker rotors reducing pedal travel). They dust heavily,
and under light braking, especially when cold, they squeal like your
wheels are about to fly off. They eat rotors. This is to be
expected from a pad of this performance level, and I expected it, this
is just a warning for those of us who can't live with the extra noise
and dust.
On the plus side, at high speeds these really come into their
own. For autocross tracks that let you get beyond first gear, or
for the occasional track trip, these would be great. They're
powerful enough to give passengers neck pain slowing from 70mph down to
40mph when something like, say, the radar detector goes off. They
also wear well; I've put 18 months of driving and around 20k on these
pads, and they're less than half gone, though have worn 1mm or so deep
into the rotor in the same amount of time.
In the end I'd recommend the Hawk HP Street Pads with these rotors for
those of us who like a firm pedal with little travel or who have ABS,
and stock rotors with the HP Street pads for people who want a bit more
pedal travel for easier brake modulation.
Questions? Comments?